Comments on: FCP & AVID: THE IMPORTANCE OF KNOWING BOTH http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/ Musings of an NLE ronin... Wed, 23 May 2012 18:47:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Avid Jobs | Information Technology http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-9256 Avid Jobs | Information Technology Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:16:55 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-9256 [...] more friends and ex-coworkers remaining out of work because they don’t know how to edit on an Avid MC, or with FCP. Recently a couple shows I have been working on shut down, in fact I am finishing [...] [...] more friends and ex-coworkers remaining out of work because they don’t know how to edit on an Avid MC, or with FCP. Recently a couple shows I have been working on shut down, in fact I am finishing [...]

]]> By: FCP & Avid: The Importance of Knowing Both http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2671 FCP & Avid: The Importance of Knowing Both Tue, 25 May 2010 21:37:23 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2671 [...] Lately I have seen more friends and ex-coworkers remaining out of work because they don’t know how to edit on an Avid MC, or with FCP.  Recently a couple shows I have been working on shut down, in fact I am finishing up the online of the last few.  But the editors of those shows have been done for a while, and are in the market for new jobs.  And one of the producers here has many  many job leads that he gave all of us.  The issue is that pretty much all of them are for companies that use Avid MCs.  And a couple editors don’t know how to use the Avid MC, so the job leads are pretty much dead for them. read more… [...] [...] Lately I have seen more friends and ex-coworkers remaining out of work because they don’t know how to edit on an Avid MC, or with FCP.  Recently a couple shows I have been working on shut down, in fact I am finishing up the online of the last few.  But the editors of those shows have been done for a while, and are in the market for new jobs.  And one of the producers here has many  many job leads that he gave all of us.  The issue is that pretty much all of them are for companies that use Avid MCs.  And a couple editors don’t know how to use the Avid MC, so the job leads are pretty much dead for them. read more… [...]

]]> By: shaneross http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2316 shaneross Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:39:58 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2316 So it is only a "pro" environment when you have multiple bays? The single bays for Cable Specials don't count? Or the three bay setups used in network drama's or comedies don't count? SCRUBS, was FCP. Bunim/Murray, one of the largest reality production houses in the COUNTRY is ALL FCP. 75-100 seats, all working on XSAN...shared media. NFL FILMS, guess what? Are all FCP. LEVERAGE, on TNT...shot on RED, edited on FCP. Want more? I got more. And a LOT of those jobs pay scale, which is $2500/$3000 per week. But these are tough times. Not MANY places pay that much....even reality NETWORK pay is decreasing. But, if you are editing a NETWORK show, you are getting that, and more. Bulk of the work is for cable networks, and they never...well, rarely....paid $3000 or up. I am on an Avid job now, not getting $3000. I was on one last year, didn't get $3000 And these were major cable networks both. But then I have seen shops, with Avid, paying under that...$2000...$1500...for editors. The system no longer dictates the price of the editor. Well, some place try, but when they tell me that "the job pays less because we are using FCP" or "because we are using Avid Express Pro," I laugh. I don't get paid less because the tool costs less...sorry. That is faulty logic. Oh, and I am in Los Angeles. So it is only a “pro” environment when you have multiple bays? The single bays for Cable Specials don’t count? Or the three bay setups used in network drama’s or comedies don’t count?

SCRUBS, was FCP. Bunim/Murray, one of the largest reality production houses in the COUNTRY is ALL FCP. 75-100 seats, all working on XSAN…shared media. NFL FILMS, guess what? Are all FCP. LEVERAGE, on TNT…shot on RED, edited on FCP. Want more? I got more. And a LOT of those jobs pay scale, which is $2500/$3000 per week.

But these are tough times. Not MANY places pay that much….even reality NETWORK pay is decreasing. But, if you are editing a NETWORK show, you are getting that, and more. Bulk of the work is for cable networks, and they never…well, rarely….paid $3000 or up. I am on an Avid job now, not getting $3000. I was on one last year, didn’t get $3000 And these were major cable networks both. But then I have seen shops, with Avid, paying under that…$2000…$1500…for editors.

The system no longer dictates the price of the editor. Well, some place try, but when they tell me that “the job pays less because we are using FCP” or “because we are using Avid Express Pro,” I laugh. I don’t get paid less because the tool costs less…sorry. That is faulty logic.

Oh, and I am in Los Angeles.

]]> By: A.J. http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2315 A.J. Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:22:32 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2315 Yes I am a pro editor in LA, have been editing professionally since 1997. I am a member of MPEG, the Editors Guild. Curious what the ratio of Avid to FCP is in Los Angeles pro TV market? Any ideas? My experience is that I have never been offer a real "Pro" ($3000/wk plus) FCP job. All the jobs are Avid. Which is fine with me I know Avid better than FCP. Only FCP jobs I hear of are small, indie, projects, often for less rate too. Maybe this is because Avid works better in a pro environment, meaning where there are 5-15 edit bays in a production, all linked together via Avid Unity, multicam shoots, several cams, tons of footage. Anyone have any sense of pro FCP work in LA? thanks.... Yes I am a pro editor in LA, have been editing professionally since 1997. I am a member of MPEG, the Editors Guild. Curious what the ratio of Avid to FCP is in Los Angeles pro TV market? Any ideas?

My experience is that I have never been offer a real “Pro” ($3000/wk plus) FCP job. All the jobs are Avid. Which is fine with me I know Avid better than FCP. Only FCP jobs I hear of are small, indie, projects, often for less rate too. Maybe this is because Avid works better in a pro environment, meaning where there are 5-15 edit bays in a production, all linked together via Avid Unity, multicam shoots, several cams, tons of footage.

Anyone have any sense of pro FCP work in LA? thanks….

]]> By: varundbest http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2198 varundbest Mon, 08 Mar 2010 20:50:16 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2198 This is good. I wanted pictures to add in my school project and the images you have posted are good. Thanks for them buddy! I guess teacher will love my project due to these images and of course the information I provided. This is good. I wanted pictures to add in my school project and the images you have posted are good. Thanks for them buddy! I guess teacher will love my project due to these images and of course the information I provided.

]]> By: Gunnar Refardt http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2192 Gunnar Refardt Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:47:11 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2192 i do avid since 98 and took up FCP in 05. still i feel much more comfortable with avid (as it makes me feel more secure, cause let's name it: FCP and meta data… hmmm not so good yet!), but i'm doing like 90% FCP jobs at the moment. so my wallet feels more secure with FCP at the moment. a good newbie resource for avid is http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/avid-tips-and-techniques/id274161778 . as it really starts from ground up (like use of attic, superbin, toolsets etc.). just a few episodes, but very good to learn the basics of how the avid works. i do avid since 98 and took up FCP in 05. still i feel much more comfortable with avid (as it makes me feel more secure, cause let’s name it: FCP and meta data… hmmm not so good yet!), but i’m doing like 90% FCP jobs at the moment. so my wallet feels more secure with FCP at the moment.

a good newbie resource for avid is http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/avid-tips-and-techniques/id274161778 . as it really starts from ground up (like use of attic, superbin, toolsets etc.). just a few episodes, but very good to learn the basics of how the avid works.

]]> By: Philip Manzer http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2191 Philip Manzer Sun, 07 Mar 2010 09:38:16 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2191 Thanks, Keep up the Good work :) Thanks, Keep up the Good work :)

]]> By: shaneross http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2185 shaneross Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:25:14 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2185 Very true Andrew. On more than a few jobs, I am expected to so something creative with pictures or graphics using After Effects or Motion or Photoshop. Very true Andrew. On more than a few jobs, I am expected to so something creative with pictures or graphics using After Effects or Motion or Photoshop.

]]> By: AndrewK http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2182 AndrewK Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:02:30 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2182 I completely agree and I'll actually take it a step farther and say that also learning at least the basics of common post tools is beneficial. I'm not a Photoshop or After Effects wizard by any stretch, but I can do the basics many times the basics are good enough just to tweak something (or to give a producer/client/director a rough idea of what it will look like). Case in point, I recently did some online tutorials for Blender (free 3D app) and learned how to make 3D text (like in the TV show Fringe). I also got started w/Apple Color the same way about two years ago and what started out as just 'knowledge for knowledge's sake' eventually led me color correcting a weekly show. -Andrew I completely agree and I’ll actually take it a step farther and say that also learning at least the basics of common post tools is beneficial. I’m not a Photoshop or After Effects wizard by any stretch, but I can do the basics many times the basics are good enough just to tweak something (or to give a producer/client/director a rough idea of what it will look like). Case in point, I recently did some online tutorials for Blender (free 3D app) and learned how to make 3D text (like in the TV show Fringe). I also got started w/Apple Color the same way about two years ago and what started out as just ‘knowledge for knowledge’s sake’ eventually led me color correcting a weekly show.

-Andrew

]]> By: Brad wright http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2181 Brad wright Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:33:09 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2181 It's nice to see how fcp and avid mc are the gold standard. I don't think the current econmy can support 3rd or 4th editing product. It’s nice to see how fcp and avid mc are the gold standard. I don’t think the current econmy can support 3rd or 4th editing product.

]]> By: Christian Glawe http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2176 Christian Glawe Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:26:43 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2176 Great post, Shane... thanks! Great post, Shane… thanks!

]]> By: shaneross http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2171 shaneross Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:26:59 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2171 There Philip...fixed it. Avid MC. There Philip…fixed it. Avid MC.

]]> By: Philip Hodgetts http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2170 Philip Hodgetts Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:10:47 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2170 "The Avid" is like "The Apple" when you mean "Media Composer" (not Avid DS, or until this week Avid Liquid) and "Final Cut Pro". Sorry, personal pet peeve right now. Avid makes lots of products - most of them NOT Media Composer. :) Anally retentive yours Philip “The Avid” is like “The Apple” when you mean “Media Composer” (not Avid DS, or until this week Avid Liquid) and “Final Cut Pro”.

Sorry, personal pet peeve right now. Avid makes lots of products – most of them NOT Media Composer.

:)

Anally retentive yours

Philip

]]> By: debesch http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2169 debesch Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:34:35 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2169 Hi, Shane! After recently getting caught up on your podcasts, I found myself reading this and hearing it in my head in your speaking voice! This is not just a good, but also an invaluable suggestion. I, too, am an Avid-trained editor from the early '90s. I just had a meeting with an old client from my staffer days and very well might be picking up my first new Avid client in about 5 years. (Luckily I've had a steady Avid client all along...so I'm not all that rusty) Great post! Thanks for your commitment to all of us! Hi, Shane!

After recently getting caught up on your podcasts, I found myself reading this and hearing it in my head in your speaking voice!

This is not just a good, but also an invaluable suggestion. I, too, am an Avid-trained editor from the early ’90s.

I just had a meeting with an old client from my staffer days and very well might be picking up my first new Avid client in about 5 years. (Luckily I’ve had a steady Avid client all along…so I’m not all that rusty)

Great post! Thanks for your commitment to all of us!

]]> By: Tom Meegan http://lfhd.net/2010/03/04/fcp-avid-the-importance-of-knowing-both/comment-page-1/#comment-2168 Tom Meegan Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:17:20 +0000 http://lfhd.net/?p=771#comment-2168 Nice post Shane. Food for thought. Nice post Shane. Food for thought.

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