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	<title>Comments on: COLOR CORRECTION &amp; ON AIR BROADCAST</title>
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		<title>By: B-Scene Films</title>
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		<dc:creator>B-Scene Films</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy bought a cheap crappy HDTV for checking CC and it has been a real boon for her.  She had done a bunch of editing and CC on a feature recently and the director was all pissed off because he had a crappy TV and it looked crappy on it - After the director saw it on Nancy&#039;s main monitors they were somewhat appeased (as your producer was).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After that she bought the cheap LCD HDTV and uses that as a final QA check and it has helped a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy bought a cheap crappy HDTV for checking CC and it has been a real boon for her.  She had done a bunch of editing and CC on a feature recently and the director was all pissed off because he had a crappy TV and it looked crappy on it &#8211; After the director saw it on Nancy&#39;s main monitors they were somewhat appeased (as your producer was).</p>
<p>After that she bought the cheap LCD HDTV and uses that as a final QA check and it has helped a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Anido</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/09/08/color-correction-on-air-broadcast/comment-page-1/#comment-1733</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Anido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compression is a tough thing to simulate, especially when you consider, as many of the other commenters have noted, how many variables are out there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do agree with the need to have &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; idea about what people are seeing, so I simply create a calibration preset called &quot;Torch mode&quot;. Basically, I throw my broadcast monitor WAY out of wack, cranking the backlight all the way, crunch the contrast and brightness, and increase the saturation a bit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The goal is to simulate the way most LCD HDTVs come out of the box, so they look good on the showroom floor. 99% of people leave them like this, so it is a decent approximation of how people might see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compression is a tough thing to simulate, especially when you consider, as many of the other commenters have noted, how many variables are out there.</p>
<p>I do agree with the need to have <i>some</i> idea about what people are seeing, so I simply create a calibration preset called &quot;Torch mode&quot;. Basically, I throw my broadcast monitor WAY out of wack, cranking the backlight all the way, crunch the contrast and brightness, and increase the saturation a bit.</p>
<p>The goal is to simulate the way most LCD HDTVs come out of the box, so they look good on the showroom floor. 99% of people leave them like this, so it is a decent approximation of how people might see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Friesen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Friesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have that Matrox MXO you mentioned running to an OK LCD I use when I correct and grade.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I have this really cheap, old-school analogue TV connected to a DVD player I proof things through if it&#039;s some sort of DVD material. And if there are issues, they ALWAYS show up there- it loves to show artifacts due to pushing colors too much or two little and it LOVES oversaturating everything. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But if it&#039;s ever going to get played through a projector, I run it through my HD projecter at home- and if it&#039;s going to have issues (usually too dark), it&#039;s going to shop up at 123&quot;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Between all 3, I can find a happy medium for my target medium. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s exactly as you said, when I was in radio, we mixed for 200 different stations that got our programs- we ALWAYS ran the mix through the 90mph with all the windows down car test...usually on some crappy set of speakers we had laying around. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Did we mix for those different channels? Well, no, but if our mix didn&#039;t show up well on those, we tweaked it. But the STANDARD was set on the original mix.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I haven&#039;t quite figured out how that translates into correction and grading, but so far my stuff is fairly consistent (I&#039;m not broadcast though).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have that Matrox MXO you mentioned running to an OK LCD I use when I correct and grade.</p>
<p>But I have this really cheap, old-school analogue TV connected to a DVD player I proof things through if it&#39;s some sort of DVD material. And if there are issues, they ALWAYS show up there- it loves to show artifacts due to pushing colors too much or two little and it LOVES oversaturating everything. </p>
<p>But if it&#39;s ever going to get played through a projector, I run it through my HD projecter at home- and if it&#39;s going to have issues (usually too dark), it&#39;s going to shop up at 123&quot;. </p>
<p>Between all 3, I can find a happy medium for my target medium. </p>
<p>It&#39;s exactly as you said, when I was in radio, we mixed for 200 different stations that got our programs- we ALWAYS ran the mix through the 90mph with all the windows down car test&#8230;usually on some crappy set of speakers we had laying around. </p>
<p>Did we mix for those different channels? Well, no, but if our mix didn&#39;t show up well on those, we tweaked it. But the STANDARD was set on the original mix.</p>
<p>I haven&#39;t quite figured out how that translates into correction and grading, but so far my stuff is fairly consistent (I&#39;m not broadcast though).</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/09/08/color-correction-on-air-broadcast/comment-page-1/#comment-1731</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that DirecTV uses some form of MPEG-4 compression now. They switched from MPEG-2 when they started to add a lot of HD channels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that DirecTV uses some form of MPEG-4 compression now. They switched from MPEG-2 when they started to add a lot of HD channels.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I won&#039;t be getting a TV in here anytime soon, if at all.  I guess I can use the Sony LMD LCD as my crappy TV to use as a guide.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rob, yes a Kona can play out AVCHD...but I am not going to compress something just to see what it looks like.  Plus, AVCHD is not the format they compress to for over the air...it is an MPEG-2 variant.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yes, it was direcTV, so satellite and HEAVILY compressed.  Glad I cancelled cable so I don&#039;t have to see this stuff normally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I won&#39;t be getting a TV in here anytime soon, if at all.  I guess I can use the Sony LMD LCD as my crappy TV to use as a guide.  </p>
<p>Rob, yes a Kona can play out AVCHD&#8230;but I am not going to compress something just to see what it looks like.  Plus, AVCHD is not the format they compress to for over the air&#8230;it is an MPEG-2 variant.  </p>
<p>And yes, it was direcTV, so satellite and HEAVILY compressed.  Glad I cancelled cable so I don&#39;t have to see this stuff normally.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Seabold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Seabold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The artist in me says monitor the way you want.  The business person in me says make your client happy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My thought is that the majority of viewers don&#039;t care about the picture as much as we in the business do(they would rather have a big tv than a quality tv).  There is a minority who do care what the picture looks like, it is those people we strive to please.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem with getting a crappy HDTV for your bay is that there is an assload of crappy HDTVs...which will you choose?  On top of that people tweak their tvs for their own purposes...some like crushed blacks, some think the picture has a green tint, some watch in a dark room, etc...and you still wouldn&#039;t solve the delivery/compression end of the problem.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The artist in me says monitor the way you want.  The business person in me says make your client happy.</p>
<p>My thought is that the majority of viewers don&#39;t care about the picture as much as we in the business do(they would rather have a big tv than a quality tv).  There is a minority who do care what the picture looks like, it is those people we strive to please.</p>
<p>The problem with getting a crappy HDTV for your bay is that there is an assload of crappy HDTVs&#8230;which will you choose?  On top of that people tweak their tvs for their own purposes&#8230;some like crushed blacks, some think the picture has a green tint, some watch in a dark room, etc&#8230;and you still wouldn&#39;t solve the delivery/compression end of the problem.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 05:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My company will often shoot in HD but will deliver the final product to a producer on their laptop with h.264 compression, something compressed to death that can be e-mailed, or rarely on DVD.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  Though no one but me and few others will see the product at its best, I&#039;ve decided that I will still choose to honor my own standards.  For my own selfish reasons, I NEED to adjust contrast, the different shades and tones, with all the other little tweeks just to satisfy myself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  Yet, it seems you want your product to look good to as many people as possible.  My friend in the audio business said you &quot;should work in the world you live in.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  Maybe if you had the time and space, you could have both your awesome monitor and your crappy monitor.  This also might show you the differences in the two.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;p.s Love the blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My company will often shoot in HD but will deliver the final product to a producer on their laptop with h.264 compression, something compressed to death that can be e-mailed, or rarely on DVD.</p>
<p>  Though no one but me and few others will see the product at its best, I&#39;ve decided that I will still choose to honor my own standards.  For my own selfish reasons, I NEED to adjust contrast, the different shades and tones, with all the other little tweeks just to satisfy myself.</p>
<p>  Yet, it seems you want your product to look good to as many people as possible.  My friend in the audio business said you &quot;should work in the world you live in.&quot;</p>
<p>  Maybe if you had the time and space, you could have both your awesome monitor and your crappy monitor.  This also might show you the differences in the two.  </p>
<p>p.s Love the blog!</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 05:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To take it a step further, I think that depending on the network and the service provider the compression will vary. Broadcast networks, major cable networks, and premium channels will probably have the least compression. Keep going down the various tiers of cable nets and I&#039;m sure that the bandwidth they get from the service provider gets smaller and smaller.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally, I have FiOS at home and couldn&#039;t be happier. Great picture quality even on a cheap HDTV. Why? Because AFAIK Verizon doesn&#039;t recompress channels whereas most cable providers, DirecTV, and Dish do recompress them. I see far less macro-blocking and compression errors than I did when I had DirecTV.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I doubt you&#039;ll ever be able to duplicate the compression issues you see in your bay, but having a big client monitor won&#039;t hurt. You could always leave the picture settings as-is from the manufacturer. I would guess that a lot of people out there don&#039;t know how to calibrate a monitor or why they should.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But in reality, there is no point to doing this. You shouldn&#039;t worry about what it will look like on a crappy TV. This is why networks have delivery specs. And, it is why you always check your scopes to ensure that you are not only creating a valid picture, but a legal one as well. Make it look as good as you can within spec and don&#039;t worry about what happens to it after you lay it off. I don&#039;t think you can really use &quot;TV speakers&quot; as a comparison. Audio is far more subjective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To take it a step further, I think that depending on the network and the service provider the compression will vary. Broadcast networks, major cable networks, and premium channels will probably have the least compression. Keep going down the various tiers of cable nets and I&#39;m sure that the bandwidth they get from the service provider gets smaller and smaller.</p>
<p>Personally, I have FiOS at home and couldn&#39;t be happier. Great picture quality even on a cheap HDTV. Why? Because AFAIK Verizon doesn&#39;t recompress channels whereas most cable providers, DirecTV, and Dish do recompress them. I see far less macro-blocking and compression errors than I did when I had DirecTV.</p>
<p>I doubt you&#39;ll ever be able to duplicate the compression issues you see in your bay, but having a big client monitor won&#39;t hurt. You could always leave the picture settings as-is from the manufacturer. I would guess that a lot of people out there don&#39;t know how to calibrate a monitor or why they should.</p>
<p>But in reality, there is no point to doing this. You shouldn&#39;t worry about what it will look like on a crappy TV. This is why networks have delivery specs. And, it is why you always check your scopes to ensure that you are not only creating a valid picture, but a legal one as well. Make it look as good as you can within spec and don&#39;t worry about what happens to it after you lay it off. I don&#39;t think you can really use &quot;TV speakers&quot; as a comparison. Audio is far more subjective.</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndrewK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d get a crappy HDTV just to make sure nothing that is important to the image disappears (like a L3RD becoming hard to read on the crappy screen), but I wouldn&#039;t do much beyond that though.  There are just too many variables to account for.  How many TVs are setup too bright?  Too dark?  Too red?  Too green?  In a room w/too much ambient light and a big window glare obscuring half the screen?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A while ago I was wrestling w/the same question and asked the opinion of one of our regular shooters and he basically said this.  The people w/the expensive, properly setup home theaters will appreciate the images you create.  The people w/the $300 TVs from Wal-Mart left at factory default settings don&#039;t care as long as they can make out what&#039;s going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d get a crappy HDTV just to make sure nothing that is important to the image disappears (like a L3RD becoming hard to read on the crappy screen), but I wouldn&#39;t do much beyond that though.  There are just too many variables to account for.  How many TVs are setup too bright?  Too dark?  Too red?  Too green?  In a room w/too much ambient light and a big window glare obscuring half the screen?</p>
<p>A while ago I was wrestling w/the same question and asked the opinion of one of our regular shooters and he basically said this.  The people w/the expensive, properly setup home theaters will appreciate the images you create.  The people w/the $300 TVs from Wal-Mart left at factory default settings don&#39;t care as long as they can make out what&#39;s going on.</p>
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		<title>By: lASVIDEO</title>
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		<dc:creator>lASVIDEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think its the TV so much, but the lack of bandwidth that is alloted to the satellite broadcasts.The smaller the bandwidth, the more image breakup on in screen movement,etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think its the TV so much, but the lack of bandwidth that is alloted to the satellite broadcasts.The smaller the bandwidth, the more image breakup on in screen movement,etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Ballstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis Ballstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many years ago, a guy named Bob Clearmountain did the audio equivalent of this. He was mixing &amp; mastering some of the biggest albums of the time (still is).  One day he decided to bring the speakers from his daughter&#039;s crappy stereo at home into the studio and see how an album would sound on them. And then he did everything he could do to make it sound as good as it could on those speakers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those speakers were made by Yamaha, and when they got wind of what he was doing, they repackaged them and gave them a new model number --- the NS10. Walk into almost every major recording studio today, and many not-so major recording studios, and you&#039;ll see at least one pair of NS10s somewhere. You&#039;ve seen them, whether you realize it or not. Those black speakers with no grill and white speaker cones. Those are crappy home stereo speakers repackaged as professional nearfield monitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many years ago, a guy named Bob Clearmountain did the audio equivalent of this. He was mixing &amp; mastering some of the biggest albums of the time (still is).  One day he decided to bring the speakers from his daughter&#39;s crappy stereo at home into the studio and see how an album would sound on them. And then he did everything he could do to make it sound as good as it could on those speakers.</p>
<p>Those speakers were made by Yamaha, and when they got wind of what he was doing, they repackaged them and gave them a new model number &#8212; the NS10. Walk into almost every major recording studio today, and many not-so major recording studios, and you&#39;ll see at least one pair of NS10s somewhere. You&#39;ve seen them, whether you realize it or not. Those black speakers with no grill and white speaker cones. Those are crappy home stereo speakers repackaged as professional nearfield monitors.</p>
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		<title>By: RobGrauert</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobGrauert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve thought about this many times before. We always have high quality gear that shows us exactly what we are working with, but no one else ever sees it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Can a Kona card output AVCHD? I think AVCHD is the most compressed HD format. Maybe compressing to that and outputting as a test to see what it will look like on an average HDTV would help with this situation. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or networks should somehow let us know how much our stuff will be compressed so we can see what our stuff will look like in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve thought about this many times before. We always have high quality gear that shows us exactly what we are working with, but no one else ever sees it. </p>
<p>Can a Kona card output AVCHD? I think AVCHD is the most compressed HD format. Maybe compressing to that and outputting as a test to see what it will look like on an average HDTV would help with this situation. </p>
<p>Or networks should somehow let us know how much our stuff will be compressed so we can see what our stuff will look like in the end.</p>
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