Comments on: APPLE WWDC AND THE NEW COMPUTERS – REACTION http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/ Musings of an NLE ronin... Mon, 14 May 2012 16:07:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dustin Lau http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1577 Dustin Lau Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:12:08 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1577 I have sent this feedback to apple at the following address.<br />http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html<br /><br />You are all free to copy it and submit your own grievances.<br /><br />I am very disappointed that you have decided to remove ExpressCard slots from all but the 17" MBP line. <br /><br />As video professionals, this expansion slot is critical as we use it to connect to external hardware as well as E-SATA harddisks and SXS Cards, to name but 3 of the numerous uses we have for the ExpressCard slot.<br /><br />When you did away with the floppy disk drive, that was fine because there were viable alternatives to portable storage and support for alternative boot devices. This is not an equivalent situation. <br /><br />Many hardware vendors have built their products around the idea that a PRO level laptop would have an Expresscard expansion slot. By unilaterally deciding an interface is obsolete, you have burnt many companies which make products that make buying a Mac worthwhile.<br /><br />I strongly urge you to reconsider this move. Here are a few strongly worded reactions of some very widely read video professionals who have condemned the removal of the Expresscard slot.<br /><br />http://lfhd.blogspot.com/2009/06/apple-wwdc-and-new-computers-reaction.html<br /><br />http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/06/08/apple-why-15-mbp-loses-its-express-card-slot-and-gainsan-sd-card-slot/<br /><br />http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2009/06/08/why-no-expresscard34-slot-on-new-macbook-pro-models/ I have sent this feedback to apple at the following address.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html

You are all free to copy it and submit your own grievances.

I am very disappointed that you have decided to remove ExpressCard slots from all but the 17" MBP line.

As video professionals, this expansion slot is critical as we use it to connect to external hardware as well as E-SATA harddisks and SXS Cards, to name but 3 of the numerous uses we have for the ExpressCard slot.

When you did away with the floppy disk drive, that was fine because there were viable alternatives to portable storage and support for alternative boot devices. This is not an equivalent situation.

Many hardware vendors have built their products around the idea that a PRO level laptop would have an Expresscard expansion slot. By unilaterally deciding an interface is obsolete, you have burnt many companies which make products that make buying a Mac worthwhile.

I strongly urge you to reconsider this move. Here are a few strongly worded reactions of some very widely read video professionals who have condemned the removal of the Expresscard slot.

http://lfhd.blogspot.com/2009/06/apple-wwdc-and-new-computers-reaction.html

http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/06/08/apple-why-15-mbp-loses-its-express-card-slot-and-gainsan-sd-card-slot/

http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2009/06/08/why-no-expresscard34-slot-on-new-macbook-pro-models/

]]> By: Allan http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1571 Allan Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:17:26 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1571 While I agree that this new Macbook 'Pro' line of computers in the 15' and 13' is severely lacking in many respects for video professionals it is actually a bit promising. Here is what I think.<br /><br />1 - If you use the new JVC HM100/700 this is a perfect laptop for you.<br /><br />2 - I have a dual system, an 8 Core Mac Pro at home which is my main edit suite and a pre-unibody 15' MBP which I run my life on and use in the field for various shit. I don't need to upgrade yet and I suspect a lot of people bitching don't 'need' to upgrade either.<br /><br />3 - The outcry from forums like this one and others will force apple to realize their oversight, and that is what I think it was. Engineers and designers thinking about one category of client and forgetting about another. Oh and lets not forget that AJA and Matrox were likely cornering Apple execs and going WTF? They likely have a lot more pull and access than we pro users do.<br /><br />4 - For me this is the most important, the next revision of the series will be awesome, fingers crossed. 13' MBP with an Express34 slot or eSATA port + FW800 and a separate video card. For me that is the perfect machine.<br /><br />eSATA or E34 for connecting drives to, FW800 and adapters for SxS and P2 and 13' which is so much better for portability. While I love my 15' MBP, I miss the size and portability of old white MB which is now in the hands of my sister.<br /><br />While the 17' is an awesome machine in many respects it is also a bitch to travel with. For a desktop replacement that lives on your desk and doesn't travel with you day in and day out it is great. If you go out to the field and try and use it there, not at the hotel, but actually out in the field it is just big and unwieldy.<br /><br />I suspect by now apple knows about the errors they made with this version of their MBP's and are likely working on fixing them. I would bet a whole dollar that we will see a new, video friendly version before the year is out. While I agree that this new Macbook 'Pro' line of computers in the 15' and 13' is severely lacking in many respects for video professionals it is actually a bit promising. Here is what I think.

1 – If you use the new JVC HM100/700 this is a perfect laptop for you.

2 – I have a dual system, an 8 Core Mac Pro at home which is my main edit suite and a pre-unibody 15' MBP which I run my life on and use in the field for various shit. I don't need to upgrade yet and I suspect a lot of people bitching don't 'need' to upgrade either.

3 – The outcry from forums like this one and others will force apple to realize their oversight, and that is what I think it was. Engineers and designers thinking about one category of client and forgetting about another. Oh and lets not forget that AJA and Matrox were likely cornering Apple execs and going WTF? They likely have a lot more pull and access than we pro users do.

4 – For me this is the most important, the next revision of the series will be awesome, fingers crossed. 13' MBP with an Express34 slot or eSATA port + FW800 and a separate video card. For me that is the perfect machine.

eSATA or E34 for connecting drives to, FW800 and adapters for SxS and P2 and 13' which is so much better for portability. While I love my 15' MBP, I miss the size and portability of old white MB which is now in the hands of my sister.

While the 17' is an awesome machine in many respects it is also a bitch to travel with. For a desktop replacement that lives on your desk and doesn't travel with you day in and day out it is great. If you go out to the field and try and use it there, not at the hotel, but actually out in the field it is just big and unwieldy.

I suspect by now apple knows about the errors they made with this version of their MBP's and are likely working on fixing them. I would bet a whole dollar that we will see a new, video friendly version before the year is out.

]]> By: Chip http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1570 Chip Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:25:52 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1570 I agree. It's complete crap, and combine that with the moronic Mini-Displayport adapter. It's ridiculous. I agree. It's complete crap, and combine that with the moronic Mini-Displayport adapter. It's ridiculous.

]]> By: McGee http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1569 McGee Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:29:34 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1569 Couldn't agree more Shane, this is a big slap in the face from apple. Couldn't agree more Shane, this is a big slap in the face from apple.

]]> By: maxplanar http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1567 maxplanar Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:46:01 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1567 Yes, yes and yes. Good article Shane. BIG mistake, Apple. It's the first decision they've EVER made in my eyes that, if not resolved, might force me to some other option, though I of course have no idea what that idle threat could be. I haven't edited anything that wasn't stored on an eSATA RAID in well over two years now. Put simply, it's my livelihood. If they build eSATA in, I'm happy. If they put ExpressCard back, I'm happy. But if they don't do either of these in 2010, I'm stuck with my (excellent for now) 2007 pre-unibody MBP, and that will be feeling old by then. The truth is that Apple, for the first time since I bought the first of the five Apple laptops I've ever owned (a Powerbook 180 in 1992) simply don't build a laptop that I can actually buy right now. Yes, yes and yes. Good article Shane. BIG mistake, Apple. It's the first decision they've EVER made in my eyes that, if not resolved, might force me to some other option, though I of course have no idea what that idle threat could be. I haven't edited anything that wasn't stored on an eSATA RAID in well over two years now. Put simply, it's my livelihood. If they build eSATA in, I'm happy. If they put ExpressCard back, I'm happy. But if they don't do either of these in 2010, I'm stuck with my (excellent for now) 2007 pre-unibody MBP, and that will be feeling old by then. The truth is that Apple, for the first time since I bought the first of the five Apple laptops I've ever owned (a Powerbook 180 in 1992) simply don't build a laptop that I can actually buy right now.

]]> By: Shane Ross http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1566 Shane Ross Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:50:17 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1566 Sorry OLD MAN (lol), I have run Color on my 15" MBP just fine. Better with an external monitor, but for the two demos I did, Color ran fine. Sorry OLD MAN (lol), I have run Color on my 15" MBP just fine. Better with an external monitor, but for the two demos I did, Color ran fine.

]]> By: Jerry http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1565 Jerry Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:47:00 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1565 KIDS!!!!!!!! you don't think that 200 bucks more for a 17 with all that screen space, the option of glare protected screen isn't the better choice in the first place? It will run Color, the 15's never did..<br /><br />Hey, it's only 1" wider, and 1/2" deeper.... for cryin' out loud...<br /><br />As I said in the Apple Discussions... Ki Pro looks more and more the way to go here... very cool indeed. then the 15's only hampered by the fact it won't run Color correctly. No need for a card slot if you're shooting to ProRes in the first place, right?<br /><br />Jerry KIDS!!!!!!!! you don't think that 200 bucks more for a 17 with all that screen space, the option of glare protected screen isn't the better choice in the first place? It will run Color, the 15's never did..

Hey, it's only 1" wider, and 1/2" deeper…. for cryin' out loud…

As I said in the Apple Discussions… Ki Pro looks more and more the way to go here… very cool indeed. then the 15's only hampered by the fact it won't run Color correctly. No need for a card slot if you're shooting to ProRes in the first place, right?

Jerry

]]> By: Rob:-] http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1562 Rob:-] Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:12:01 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1562 Henceforth I shell refer to them as the 15" Macbook Toy Henceforth I shell refer to them as the 15" Macbook Toy

]]> By: dan http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1561 dan Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:56:33 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1561 I'm guessing that the remaining inventory of 15" MBP will get snatched up quickly by people who need the express card slot.<br /><br />Very bad move Apple. I'm guessing that the remaining inventory of 15" MBP will get snatched up quickly by people who need the express card slot.

Very bad move Apple.

]]> By: Snow http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1560 Snow Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:47:55 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1560 Shane, totally unbelievable.<br />I am really lost for words... but cursing does come to mind... Shane, totally unbelievable.
I am really lost for words… but cursing does come to mind…

]]> By: Keith http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1559 Keith Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:14:32 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1559 Amen bruthah...I am totally with you 100%. So PISSED at Apple<br /><br />-Keith Amen bruthah…I am totally with you 100%. So PISSED at Apple

-Keith

]]> By: RobGrauert http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1558 RobGrauert Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:59:05 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1558 Lately, I feel like Apple is making a lot of stupid moves that I would expect from a PC... Lately, I feel like Apple is making a lot of stupid moves that I would expect from a PC…

]]> By: Shane Ross http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1557 Shane Ross Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:20:34 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1557 You can say shit. You can also say where the fuck is Apple's head? In it's ass on this one. I thought that removing firewire totally from the MacBooks was bad. This is worse. And they reversed the MacBook thing...I have no doubt they will reverse this on the next revision. You can say shit. You can also say where the fuck is Apple's head? In it's ass on this one. I thought that removing firewire totally from the MacBooks was bad. This is worse. And they reversed the MacBook thing…I have no doubt they will reverse this on the next revision.

]]> By: Andy http://lfhd.net/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-1556 Andy Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:14:45 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2009/06/08/apple-wwdc-and-the-new-computers-reaction/#comment-1556 Its complete shit on th eusers moment Shane (am I allowed to say that on your blog?) As noted, there is nothing Pro about the 13"/15" MacBooks ... they are now just fast consumer laptops with zero expansion capabilities. Not Pro at all. Its almost funny ... only its not. Very sad. Its complete shit on th eusers moment Shane (am I allowed to say that on your blog?) As noted, there is nothing Pro about the 13"/15" MacBooks … they are now just fast consumer laptops with zero expansion capabilities. Not Pro at all. Its almost funny … only its not. Very sad.

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