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	<title>Comments on: IN HDV HELL</title>
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		<title>By: AVID ONLINE OF FCP OFFLINE - Little Frog in High Def</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/03/18/in-hdv-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-2051</link>
		<dc:creator>AVID ONLINE OF FCP OFFLINE - Little Frog in High Def</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ONLINE OF FCP OFFLINE Feb 8 EDITING  OK, first I need to point out this old post from 2009.  To summarize the part I want you to pay heed to, the HVR-1500 deck that I had SO MUCH [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ONLINE OF FCP OFFLINE Feb 8 EDITING  OK, first I need to point out this old post from 2009.  To summarize the part I want you to pay heed to, the HVR-1500 deck that I had SO MUCH [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LJ</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/03/18/in-hdv-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-1333</link>
		<dc:creator>LJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I feel your pain too. Glad to see you got it solved though. One suggestion I have for anyone working with HDV and the KONA LHe is to invest in a Convergent Designs HD Connect SI. This little gadget has saved my sanity on more than one occasion. After configuring with your Mac, it uses Firewire to control your deck and decodes HDV into pristine HD SDI. It has been rock solid for me and I plan on posting a QuickTip about my use of it over at HDFilmtools.com in the near future.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Best,&lt;br/&gt;Larry &quot;Lawrence&quot; Jordan&lt;br/&gt;HDFilmtools.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane,</p>
<p>I feel your pain too. Glad to see you got it solved though. One suggestion I have for anyone working with HDV and the KONA LHe is to invest in a Convergent Designs HD Connect SI. This little gadget has saved my sanity on more than one occasion. After configuring with your Mac, it uses Firewire to control your deck and decodes HDV into pristine HD SDI. It has been rock solid for me and I plan on posting a QuickTip about my use of it over at HDFilmtools.com in the near future.</p>
<p>Best,<br />Larry &#8220;Lawrence&#8221; Jordan<br />HDFilmtools.com</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Glawe</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/03/18/in-hdv-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-1332</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Glawe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Shane, I realize your point in the earlier post about ProRes storage issues in a shared environment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But... when you add up all the extra editor hours, all the burnt time, and the exponentially increased chances of a mistake, is it *really* still too expensive to add storage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Shane, I realize your point in the earlier post about ProRes storage issues in a shared environment.</p>
<p>But&#8230; when you add up all the extra editor hours, all the burnt time, and the exponentially increased chances of a mistake, is it *really* still too expensive to add storage?</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Ross</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/03/18/in-hdv-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-1331</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ProRes upon ingest is the plan...this show was unique.  The first episode so they were experimenting.  But we are running out of drive space, so the offline/online workflow is on our minds.  SHARED storage, so getting more space isn&#039;t cheap.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We&#039;d love to stay ProREs, but now might capture as HDV and render out as ProRes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ProRes upon ingest is the plan&#8230;this show was unique.  The first episode so they were experimenting.  But we are running out of drive space, so the offline/online workflow is on our minds.  SHARED storage, so getting more space isn&#8217;t cheap.</p>
<p>We&#8217;d love to stay ProREs, but now might capture as HDV and render out as ProRes.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Glawe</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/03/18/in-hdv-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-1330</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Glawe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that, when working with HDV, the whole offline/online model goes out the window.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The cleanest way to handle this material is to transcode to ProRes upon ingest.  Plain and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that, when working with HDV, the whole offline/online model goes out the window.</p>
<p>The cleanest way to handle this material is to transcode to ProRes upon ingest.  Plain and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Ross</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/03/18/in-hdv-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-1329</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonas...it isn&#039;t FCP.  It is the DECK.  The HVR-1500 has lots of problems, and it is system agnostic.  People running Avids have issues with this deck.  I checked both Avid and Apple forums and found issues.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This company used Avid for the first season of this series, and they had issues with this deck.  They switched to FCP for a variety of reasons, including the ability to work at full resolution, ProRes specifically.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now we might try to capture as HDV and then use that all the way through COLOR.  I will test that....but I haven&#039;t heard good things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonas&#8230;it isn&#8217;t FCP.  It is the DECK.  The HVR-1500 has lots of problems, and it is system agnostic.  People running Avids have issues with this deck.  I checked both Avid and Apple forums and found issues.</p>
<p>This company used Avid for the first season of this series, and they had issues with this deck.  They switched to FCP for a variety of reasons, including the ability to work at full resolution, ProRes specifically.</p>
<p>Now we might try to capture as HDV and then use that all the way through COLOR.  I will test that&#8230;.but I haven&#8217;t heard good things.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas Hummelstrand</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/03/18/in-hdv-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-1328</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonas Hummelstrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me, but aren&#039;t you beating on HDV when it&#039;s FCP&#039;s HDV bugs you should be giving a &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfYijyWMAjo&amp;fmt=22&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CockShot&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, but aren&#8217;t you beating on HDV when it&#8217;s FCP&#8217;s HDV bugs you should be giving a <a HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfYijyWMAjo&#038;fmt=22" REL="nofollow">CockShot</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Ross</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/03/18/in-hdv-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-1327</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The full post has been reinstated.  And my solution to it is at the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The full post has been reinstated.  And my solution to it is at the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Jacques</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/03/18/in-hdv-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-1326</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean-Jacques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 00:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H.D.V= Hel.in Digital Video&lt;br/&gt;Man, I liked that post and fully understand you don&#039;t want to jeopardize you current job situation. I have been shooting, editing HDV for the last year and while the images are pretty for the cost, post is a nightmare. Somebody should implement a way for FCP to relink to footage like Avid does in the way that clip names do not matter at all. Tape name and timecodes are all that&#039;s needed. this way you can just recap whole tapes or clips with 5 sec handles and reconnect the sequence.&lt;br/&gt;I feel your pain and am sure you will find a solution.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A reader in Tahiti - Mauru&#039;uru</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H.D.V= Hel.in Digital Video<br />Man, I liked that post and fully understand you don&#8217;t want to jeopardize you current job situation. I have been shooting, editing HDV for the last year and while the images are pretty for the cost, post is a nightmare. Somebody should implement a way for FCP to relink to footage like Avid does in the way that clip names do not matter at all. Tape name and timecodes are all that&#8217;s needed. this way you can just recap whole tapes or clips with 5 sec handles and reconnect the sequence.<br />I feel your pain and am sure you will find a solution.</p>
<p>A reader in Tahiti &#8211; Mauru&#8217;uru</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/03/18/in-hdv-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-1325</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a, most assuredly, &quot;a really neat sheep video.&quot; My wife loves it too.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks so much for making my day a little brighter [smile].&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; ~Luke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a, most assuredly, &#8220;a really neat sheep video.&#8221; My wife loves it too.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for making my day a little brighter [smile].</p>
<p> ~Luke</p>
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		<title>By: Zak Ray</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/03/18/in-hdv-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-1324</link>
		<dc:creator>Zak Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheep pong! About damn time this blog covered the real stories!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheep pong! About damn time this blog covered the real stories!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Harrell</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/03/18/in-hdv-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-1323</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Harrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I hear you about needing to capture into ProRes. I was pretty appalled the first time I learned that Final Cut could transcode to ProRes in real time off a Firewire capture source, but only if it didn&#039;t use any deck control at all. I can&#039;t understand why that feature was ever added in the first place.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry this is so frustrating. If it makes you feel any better, yesterday morning a client sent over footage for a session, and we discovered their &quot;footage&quot; is a half-dozen WMV files at 320x240 and (the very best part) 26 frames per second.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Obviously we called to ask for the original tapes. &quot;They&#039;re in Michigan,&quot; the client said. &quot;No problem, just call us back when they&#039;re in DC.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I miss digibeta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I hear you about needing to capture into ProRes. I was pretty appalled the first time I learned that Final Cut could transcode to ProRes in real time off a Firewire capture source, but only if it didn&#8217;t use any deck control at all. I can&#8217;t understand why that feature was ever added in the first place.</p>
<p>Sorry this is so frustrating. If it makes you feel any better, yesterday morning a client sent over footage for a session, and we discovered their &#8220;footage&#8221; is a half-dozen WMV files at 320&#215;240 and (the very best part) 26 frames per second.</p>
<p>Obviously we called to ask for the original tapes. &#8220;They&#8217;re in Michigan,&#8221; the client said. &#8220;No problem, just call us back when they&#8217;re in DC.&#8221;</p>
<p>I miss digibeta.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Ross</title>
		<link>http://lfhd.net/2009/03/18/in-hdv-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-1322</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah...I am missing Avid in this situation.  The offline online workflow is much better on that platform.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But even though FCP&#039;s media manager is still a problem, I know a big part of the issue lies with HDV and that deck.  People on Avid have issues with that deck as well.  But this situation was completely bizarre.  I have never encountered an issue like this before.  I have offlined and onlined before with FCP and never had this issue.  Offline RT from DV, offline RT from digibeta masters and XDCAM.  Heck, Bunim/Murray Productions is ALL ABOUT the offline/online workflow and they haven&#039;t had any major issues.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This just seems like a perfect storm of a problem.  FCPs weak media manager coupled with HDV issues (recapturing HDV, even at full resolution, can end up with footage slighly off...time code slippage), and that deck having problems.  But this is early in the game and I still have some weapons to use when I jump back into the fray.  I have more shows to &#039;online&#039; down the road.  So I&#039;ll have to try a few tests.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And post results, of course.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jeff, that deck does have firewire, but we need to capture this footage as ProRes, that is how we are finishing the show, and I cannot capture media managed footage as ProRes.  I can&#039;t RECAPTURE (batch capture) footage as ProRes via firewire...only the initial capture using that trick method mentioned on the Cow and Ken Stone.  And yes, we tried FW deck control with similar bad results.  I guess I can try it again with a batch capture, but SDI out is needed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Someone mentioned trying a lesser deck via Component and FW deck contrl.  I am just desperate enough to try that too.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And Andrew, I am in Santa Monica, so is that West enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230;I am missing Avid in this situation.  The offline online workflow is much better on that platform.</p>
<p>But even though FCP&#8217;s media manager is still a problem, I know a big part of the issue lies with HDV and that deck.  People on Avid have issues with that deck as well.  But this situation was completely bizarre.  I have never encountered an issue like this before.  I have offlined and onlined before with FCP and never had this issue.  Offline RT from DV, offline RT from digibeta masters and XDCAM.  Heck, Bunim/Murray Productions is ALL ABOUT the offline/online workflow and they haven&#8217;t had any major issues.</p>
<p>This just seems like a perfect storm of a problem.  FCPs weak media manager coupled with HDV issues (recapturing HDV, even at full resolution, can end up with footage slighly off&#8230;time code slippage), and that deck having problems.  But this is early in the game and I still have some weapons to use when I jump back into the fray.  I have more shows to &#8216;online&#8217; down the road.  So I&#8217;ll have to try a few tests.</p>
<p>And post results, of course.</p>
<p>Jeff, that deck does have firewire, but we need to capture this footage as ProRes, that is how we are finishing the show, and I cannot capture media managed footage as ProRes.  I can&#8217;t RECAPTURE (batch capture) footage as ProRes via firewire&#8230;only the initial capture using that trick method mentioned on the Cow and Ken Stone.  And yes, we tried FW deck control with similar bad results.  I guess I can try it again with a batch capture, but SDI out is needed.</p>
<p>Someone mentioned trying a lesser deck via Component and FW deck contrl.  I am just desperate enough to try that too.</p>
<p>And Andrew, I am in Santa Monica, so is that West enough?</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndrewK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argh.  Meant to add, if you were working around the West LA area I&#039;d offer to buy you a beer &#039;cause it sounds like you need one. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argh.  Meant to add, if you were working around the West LA area I&#8217;d offer to buy you a beer &#8217;cause it sounds like you need one. <img src='http://lfhd.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: AndrewK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndrewK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avid has a feature to prevent the operator error of capturing HD as SD?  Is that new in 3.5? ;-)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I feel for you Shane, having to clean up someone else&#039;s mess.  But look on the bright side, at least you have HD source footage to go back to.  A few weeks ago I got the tapes back from a 2 camera shoot and the &#039;B&#039; Cam was HD but the &#039;A&#039; Cam was mistakenly set to SD.  Yeah, that sucked.  I used Compressor to up-rez the SD stuff and that looked loads better than having FCP scale it up but it still didn&#039;t look great (obviously).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avid has a feature to prevent the operator error of capturing HD as SD?  Is that new in 3.5? <img src='http://lfhd.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I feel for you Shane, having to clean up someone else&#8217;s mess.  But look on the bright side, at least you have HD source footage to go back to.  A few weeks ago I got the tapes back from a 2 camera shoot and the &#8216;B&#8217; Cam was HD but the &#8216;A&#8217; Cam was mistakenly set to SD.  Yeah, that sucked.  I used Compressor to up-rez the SD stuff and that looked loads better than having FCP scale it up but it still didn&#8217;t look great (obviously).</p>
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