Comments on: ARCHIVING SOLUTIONS FOR P2 http://lfhd.net/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/ High definition editing from the trenches... Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:26:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: kaka gee http://lfhd.net/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-1143 kaka gee Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:42:00 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/#comment-1143 jerry@tape4backup.com<br/><br/><br/>Hi,<br/><br/>Thanks for the information ..!<br/><br/><br/><br/>Regards,<br/>tape4backup.com<br/>LTO4 <br/>AT4B3 jerry@tape4backup.com

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]]> By: the post girl in dc http://lfhd.net/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-481 the post girl in dc Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:13:00 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/#comment-481 Our house just went over to HD (p2) and we've been trying to figure out the best way to archive. One of the companies we room with has gone DLT (and posted about it here amusingly enough). For us, Blu-Ray made the most sense since we archive a TON of stuff, not just P2 media, and the amount of DVDs we use just to put basic stuff off to disc is insane (Photoshop, AFX, 3D, DVDs, etc). OWC is selling an external drive for about $600 and with single layer discs going for about $13 a pop, add in a Toast 8 upgrade for $60, it seemed like a deal to us. I burned about 20GB of material in 40 minutes, but verification does take a little longer. The burn time was alot shorter than I expected. I also dig that the drive is external because depending on what day it is, what's our usual offload and archive machine can be quite busy. Our house just went over to HD (p2) and we’ve been trying to figure out the best way to archive. One of the companies we room with has gone DLT (and posted about it here amusingly enough). For us, Blu-Ray made the most sense since we archive a TON of stuff, not just P2 media, and the amount of DVDs we use just to put basic stuff off to disc is insane (Photoshop, AFX, 3D, DVDs, etc). OWC is selling an external drive for about $600 and with single layer discs going for about $13 a pop, add in a Toast 8 upgrade for $60, it seemed like a deal to us. I burned about 20GB of material in 40 minutes, but verification does take a little longer. The burn time was alot shorter than I expected. I also dig that the drive is external because depending on what day it is, what’s our usual offload and archive machine can be quite busy.

]]> By: Andy http://lfhd.net/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-480 Andy Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:59:00 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/#comment-480 dude, we should start an ass talking club! there'd be loads of members and I could be president :) dude, we should start an ass talking club! there’d be loads of members and I could be president :)

]]> By: Shane Ross http://lfhd.net/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-478 Shane Ross Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:21:00 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/#comment-478 Sorry...don't know what I was saying. BUSY over here with trying to finish one show (still on that darn show), gearing up for two others, researching stuff, then family.<br/><br/>I was speaking from my ass. Dunno what I was thinking. Sorry…don’t know what I was saying. BUSY over here with trying to finish one show (still on that darn show), gearing up for two others, researching stuff, then family.

I was speaking from my ass. Dunno what I was thinking.

]]> By: Andy http://lfhd.net/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-477 Andy Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:44:00 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/#comment-477 ok Shane, if you'd pointed out that archiving to XDCAM required a huge investment in conform time i'd have said it was a fair cop ... or pointed out that at a $1/GB it was significantly more expensive than the other options ... but you're saying XDCAM isn't even tapeless now? and further, you're sugesting that only formats designed not to be archived to their recording medium are allowed entry to that club, and so to be classed as tapeless?? ... i'm not even going to go there mate! ok Shane, if you’d pointed out that archiving to XDCAM required a huge investment in conform time i’d have said it was a fair cop … or pointed out that at a $1/GB it was significantly more expensive than the other options … but you’re saying XDCAM isn’t even tapeless now? and further, you’re sugesting that only formats designed not to be archived to their recording medium are allowed entry to that club, and so to be classed as tapeless?? … i’m not even going to go there mate!

]]> By: Shane Ross http://lfhd.net/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-476 Shane Ross Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:45:00 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/#comment-476 OK Andy...but the XDCAM produces a DISK...a physical thing you can archive on a shelf. I consider that a "tape," even though it really is a disk. P2 and XDAM EX and even RED are all tapeless, and the media the record on are meant to be used again and again, the footage to be offloaded and archived in another fashion.<br/><br/>That is the issue. OK Andy…but the XDCAM produces a DISK…a physical thing you can archive on a shelf. I consider that a “tape,” even though it really is a disk. P2 and XDAM EX and even RED are all tapeless, and the media the record on are meant to be used again and again, the footage to be offloaded and archived in another fashion.

That is the issue.

]]> By: Andy http://lfhd.net/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-475 Andy Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:06:00 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/#comment-475 >Ahh, the Achilles Heel of the tapeless workflow...archiving.<br/><br/>not so Shane ... tis the Achilles Heel of P2 based tapeless workflow. those working in the XDCAM disc format can keep or archive to the same discs they shoot >Ahh, the Achilles Heel of the tapeless workflow…archiving.

not so Shane … tis the Achilles Heel of P2 based tapeless workflow. those working in the XDCAM disc format can keep or archive to the same discs they shoot

]]> By: Mat http://lfhd.net/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-474 Mat Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:54:00 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/#comment-474 I'm now no longer happy that the price has been left in NZ dollars. I’m now no longer happy that the price has been left in NZ dollars.

]]> By: Shane Ross http://lfhd.net/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-473 Shane Ross Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:33:00 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/#comment-473 SO...this is what I get for not doing my OWN friggin research.<br/><br/>OK...looking at LTO drives if we hit series. Heck, even if I get the PILOT, I still have the pilot to back up, then the last TWO History shows...might be worth it...if I can get it into the Pilot budget.<br/><br/>Thanks Elliot. SO…this is what I get for not doing my OWN friggin research.

OK…looking at LTO drives if we hit series. Heck, even if I get the PILOT, I still have the pilot to back up, then the last TWO History shows…might be worth it…if I can get it into the Pilot budget.

Thanks Elliot.

]]> By: Elliot Lee http://lfhd.net/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-472 Elliot Lee Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:28:00 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/#comment-472 Oh yea, and I just looked at transfer speeds as well. LTO-3 does 80MB/s. LTO-2 does 40MB/s. A 16x DVD recorder would be doing 22MB/s. So the original "researcher" guy is basically full of it... Oh yea, and I just looked at transfer speeds as well. LTO-3 does 80MB/s. LTO-2 does 40MB/s. A 16x DVD recorder would be doing 22MB/s. So the original “researcher” guy is basically full of it…

]]> By: Elliot Lee http://lfhd.net/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-471 Elliot Lee Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:21:00 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/#comment-471 The original article is factually incorrect...<br/><br/>LTO-3 has a capacity of 400G/800G. Since only uncompressed capacity matters for video, we're looking at 400G tapes for under $40 each, which is less than $0.10/GB.<br/><br/>If you look at LTO-2 tape, then the capacity figures given are correct, but the up-front cost is a lot less (I got my LTO-2 drive for $400 on ebay) and tapes are around $30 each (for a cost of $0.15/GB).<br/><br/>Either way, LTO wins. The original article is factually incorrect…

LTO-3 has a capacity of 400G/800G. Since only uncompressed capacity matters for video, we’re looking at 400G tapes for under $40 each, which is less than $0.10/GB.

If you look at LTO-2 tape, then the capacity figures given are correct, but the up-front cost is a lot less (I got my LTO-2 drive for $400 on ebay) and tapes are around $30 each (for a cost of $0.15/GB).

Either way, LTO wins.

]]> By: Matt Gottshalk http://lfhd.net/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-470 Matt Gottshalk Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:53:00 +0000 http://postfifthpictures.com/lfhd/2007/10/15/archiving-solutions-for-p2/#comment-470 I am going the (even MORE) expensive route and getting the Quantum DLT600a. It is MXF aware, GigE, and faster than just an LTO drive. I am going the (even MORE) expensive route and getting the Quantum DLT600a. It is MXF aware, GigE, and faster than just an LTO drive.

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